I ended up buyin a Gigabyte RX Radeon Vega 64 watercooled.
I think it’s almost as good as Radeon VII since it has 64 cores and it has the highest clock in the VEGA 64 cards.
I think it would be the best Mac card unless AMD releases a 7nm with 64 cores 4096 shading units.
Which should happen in Christmas or before, and then Apple would have to release an update.
I think I’ll be good for the next year or two.
I made it to amd, after almoust 10 years being with nvidia, this was too much. Just hope one day Apple and Nvidia we’ll be on good terms and we as customers receive what we pay for.
Don’t worry about Radeon VII. At least Vega 64 has little more stream processors. And it’s something weird is happening with AMD 2019 release and RTX series. It’s expensive… for almost 7 nm and no quantum leap in performance. But the leap is in price even with AMD… So Apple can decide to switch to their on GPU :D they can do it for mobile platform, maybe they can try at least do something for themselves. So, Apple doesn’t support EVERY AMD model.
My prognosis is that they release Mac Pro this year with new Pro line of AMD GPU (not the Vega, not RX series of something like that). iMac Pro with Vega will be updated later. So there is no need to suffer about Radeon VII on macOS.
@Gogeta-Blue yeah. The best Mac Pro 2018/2019 is that what you can do by yourself. :D At least even if it was 2013 I wouldn’t buy Mac Pro 2013. And even I have $40 millions on my bank account I would go for Hackintosh. Apple admit it that it wasn’t really good idea, at least at the moment. They just inventing eGPU in Mojave. Why not in 2013? Because there is no efficient way to do so in 2013. They developing this way now. iMac Pro is much more consistent product from my point of view cause it supports eGPU on the same bandwidth as PCI-E (or just little bit less), it has 10 GBs ethernet so I think that it’s a future of home computing. You can buy fast (and expensive at the moment) network storage with 10 GBs support, upgrade your router/switch, buy ethernet 10 GBs PCI-E adapter and you can edit video on the network drive which is silent. Hard drives are still in use because of their size and no special requirements for usage like SSD and it costs less of course. And iMac Pro has it. So it’s the product for those, who is gonna be “future-ready” in terms of home computing infrastructure and definitely more consistent than Mac Pro 2013. By the way, Hackintosh with their “overclock ready hardware” can be much-much-much more better with this ultra-durable thermal design, liquid cooling, VRAM radiators, etc… I personally hate overclocking because it’s completely “gaming-oriented” and only a fool will loose stability for performance if you do some projects which require a long time load on the processor and GPU which makes overclocking a hardware killer. But I like that overclocking hysteria brought so many hardware improvements in thermal design.
aint that funny when hackintosh users are whining
Don’t see why it matters, they bought the card specifically because Nvidia was making drivers for it. I doubt everyone would had made the same choice if they knew it would come to a halt after an OS update.
why is that funny
What do you call whining and about what? About Apple is no longer create a classic desktop? Well, pro users in production studies with mac Pro whining much much more. Or about NVIDIA Web Drivers? The magic of Real Mac can’t help here.
That comment makes no sense even Macbook Pro users who want to use external Nvidia GTX card with the Blackmagic can’t.
Apple is really limited to Vega 64, or Vega 56, that’s it.
Those are basically the only 2 good graphic cards that work.
Don’t you think that’s insane?
genuine apple product owners have all the right to be upset
but just because your hackintosh does not work anymore?? well… tough…
go try and call apple help center and tell them that your hackintosh does not support your gfx card :)
There is a lack of logic. Few statements for you. Only first statement is important in this particular topic. The other statements about your position about Hackintosh.
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It’s not about Hackintosh or exact desktop/notebook platform from Apple.
It about NVIDIA WebDrivers and macOS Mojave and has nothing to do with Hackintosh or genuine Apple’s product____ -
Apple doesn’t prevent Hackintoshing. Apple is only preventing doing business with Hackintosh in USA and maybe Canada (selling macOS-ready computers). It doesn’t support that and not because “Hackintosh is stealing! It’s evil!” but because they just can’t support each configuration. BY THE WAY! It doesn’t mean also that Apple will not allow to run macOS on few motherboards, let’s say, from Gigabyte of even Supermicro and Intel motherboards, few CPU, few GPU in the future! Why? Because mobile platforms become more performant and people just don’t need to have Macs and Windows get better or… desktop for Apple may came out of priority in nearest future. They don’t earn too much from Macs, so why don’t spread this system on PC later if it will collapse with their Mac Mini/iMac/iMac Pro/Macbook set? I’m sure that even Linux can be usable, especially when 99% of software will be available on the Internet in the browser.
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Hackintosh user doesn’t mean that it’s not an Apple user. I’ve invested around $13,000 in Apple hardware (mostly Macs and pair of iPhone 5 and pair of iPhones XS) in 11 years. And I have couple of Hackintoshes, so who I am? What gives Apple the moral right to send me GTFY? Couple of Hackintoshes? Phew… I have NEVER complained about Apple products, asking them questions. The same is with Hackintoshes. I’m the only person who supports it. I never thought that way, that Apple has to do something to make my hackintoshing easier lol.
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Are you the person who always follow some kind of made up rules or Men in Black will come for you in your country for Hackintoshing? It’s kinda dull and even if Apple hates Hackintoshes (which I doubt, cause in increases their community and income) we have our own heads to decide what’s wrong or right and take consequences.
I bought a product and I can’t use it as I expected to use it, and weeks passed by and … well, what exactly?
Nothing happened. There is no clear information about what the hell is going on, has people stucked their heads in sand and hope that it all pass? I mean I know the marginal % of macOS users isn’t the customer base NV cares about - but at least a bit decency would suffice.
I had enough of this “it’s them, not us” rhetoric - as a consumer I don’t give a s**t if it’s Apple, Onion or Jesus himself - thing is,
I put my NV card on ebay and I won’t be eager to buy the next NV anytime soon if there is well documented driver support. The whole situation looks like not 2 companies but 2 kids in the sandbox bitching and saying with pointed finger: “No it was them, not me!”. Grow some balls NV, seriously, by the end of the day your customer don’t gives a **** who it was - but who solves their problem.
i have a Macbook pro, no hackintosher and im affected
It is very idiotic to think that Apple behaves like this for hackintosh users, I dedicate myself to the editing of video and photography, my work I need to have my mobile studio, the situation is unfortunate.
Forcing us to stay in High Sierra when we have made an investment of € 3000 is to never buy an apple product again.
By the way I recall what I’ve lost with CUDA support in my MacBook Pro Retina (Early 2013) with NVIDIA 650m onboard - I was compiling Tensorflow 1.2 and the other AI stuff to run on the newer systems. Yes, it supposed to be 10.12.6 Sierra but you can actually install earlier versions of Xcode command line tools from previous versions and try to compile it. It wasn’t the part where actual neural network learning was, but it was like preparing the software and it was a big part. And I used it on my work, then I brought the result at home and run the machine learning. It was time efficient. So this part is missing. Maybe I’ll dual boot to Ubuntu Linux for this on my Macbook Pro Retina and will be doing preparations for machine learning on my hackintosh at home with NVIDIA 1080 Ti and which already switched to Ubuntu Linux.
So this is the part, which has nothing to do with Hackintosh.
Hello, I recently contacted Apple support and they replied me that they are waiting for Nvidia to release the drivers: no need for the to sign the drivers etc. They say there is no reason to refuse the driver. Here is the full conversation (I know it’s in italian, but still…)
martedì, feb 12, 2019 01:28 PM
Durata 35 minuti 39 secondi
Francesca
La ringraziamo per aver contattato il Supporto Apple. Io sono Francesca. Mi conceda qualche momento per esaminare le sue informazioni.
Francesca
Buongiorno e ben trovato Francesco, io sono Francesca e vorrei prendesse nota del numero di pratica che aprirò ora per lei, ID riferimento: 100755864180. Non è mai nostra intenzione disconnettere le chat ma possono verificarsi delle disconnessioni a causa della rete quindi se la chat dovesse cadere per qualche motivo potrà contattarci via chat o al numero verde 800 915 904 con più facilità fornendo quel numero di pratica.
Francesco Masini
buongiorno
Francesca
Leggevo dalle note che ha scelto “Installazioni e aggiornamenti” come motivo di contatto. Cosa succede esattamente?
Francesco Masini
in realtà questa richiesta non viene espressamente per il mio prodotto, ma in qualità di rappresentante del mio posto di lavoro
Francesco Masini
abbiamo dei mac pro con installate le gtx 680
Francesco Masini
facciamo video editing con premiere pro
Francesco Masini
e era tempo di un upgrade siccome la velocità di esportazione non è più soddisfacente e inoltre volevamo investire sul 4k
Francesca
Si, l’ascolto
Francesco Masini
per upgrade della scheda grafica noi intendevamo la serie 10XX o ancora meglio la 20XX
Francesco Masini
però abbiamo appreso che al momento non vi è supporto driver in Mojave
Francesco Masini
e per la suite Adobe è richiesto l’uso di schede nvidia con tecnologia cuda
Francesco Masini
lei ha informazioni su come e quando verranno realizzati appropriati driver?
Francesca
Mi conceda alcuni istanti per leggere le sue note Francesco grazie
Francesca
Dunque Francesco se ho ben capito, sui Mac che utilizzate per lavoro avete installato Mojave che non supporta l’upgrade delle schede grafiche che vorreste fare, è corretto=
Francesca
*corretto?
Francesco Masini
si, per il momento le gtx 680 funzionano, però vorremmo avere un upgrade alle nuove generazioni che non sono supportate
Francesca
No sono supportate da Mojave, ok
Francesca
Generalmente i driver per la compatibilità con i sistemi operativi vengono rilasciati dagli sviluppatori, non con aggiornamenti del sistema operativo
Francesca
Quindi su come e quando verranno realizzati appropriati driver per rendere le schede compatibili con Mojave, dovrebbe chiederlo allo sviluppatore della scheda.
Francesca
Oppure li ha già contattati e l’hanno riferita a noi?
Francesco Masini
esatto,ho vontattato anche la nvidia
Francesco Masini
mi hanno inbiato un link a un loro annuncio riguardo questa problematica
Francesco Masini
se vuole glielo giro
Francesco Masini
Francesca
Potrei non riuscire ad aprire il link se è di un sito esterno però ci provo
Francesca
Non me lo fa aprire, cosa c’è scritto esattamente?
Francesco Masini
ok lo riporto
Francesco Masini
Developers using Macs with NVIDIA graphics cards are reporting that after upgrading from 10.13 to 10.14 (Mojave) they are experiencing rendering regressions and slow performance.
Apple fully controls drivers for Mac OS. Unfortunately, NVIDIA currently cannot release a driver unless it is approved by Apple.
Our hardware works on OS 10.13 which supports up to (and including) Pascal.
Apple has published a help topic that includes a list of supported hardware for OS 10.14 Mojave. They suggest directing additional inquiries here.
Sincerely,
The Team at Nvidia
Francesca
Ah ok, conferma quanto detto praticamente. Ogni produttore di schede grafiche rilascerà i propri driver che dovranno essere compatibili con il sistema
Francesca
Ma questi driver, sono già stati rilasciati dal produttore della scheda grafica?
Francesco Masini
vero che i driver devono essere rliasciati dai produttori, ma qui sembra che apple non li approvi
Francesco Masini
per ora non hanno rilasciato niente chd io sappia (per mojave almeno)
Francesca
Quando e se NVIDIA rilascerà dei driver, Apple potrà lavorarli e accettarli o negarli. In genere Francesco, tutte le nuove schede video, audio ecc ecc vengono approvate
Francesca
Non c’è motivo per non farlo
Francesca
Se queste schede sono compatibili con High Sierra, può valutare l’idea di fare un downgrade. Certo tutto dipende dall’importanza della cosa.
Francesca
Se è più necessario avere quel tipo di scheda grafica, o Mojave per altri programmi
Francesco Masini
certamente
Francesco Masini
allora proveremo a domandare maggiormente a nvidia
Francesca
Si, prima di fare l’acquisto è necessario sapere se potranno essere compatibili con Mojave. Se hanno intenzione di rilasciare dei driver o se invece non lo faranno
Francesca
Di che hanno sono queste schede?
Francesca
Lo sa?
Francesco Masini
allora le 10XX sono del 2017 penso e le 20XX sono del 201
Francesco Masini
2018*
Francesca
Sono anche abbastanza recenti
Francesca
Provi a sentirli Francesco, spero potranno rilasciarli presto
Francesco Masini
ok grazie lo farò
Francesca
Ok, se dovesse aver bisogno di noi siamo qui oggi e tutti i giorni dalle 8 alle 20 (19:45). Al termine della chat riceverà la mail con la trascrizione della chat
Francesca
Grazie a lei Francesco, per aver contattato Apple e per averci permesso di aiutarla. Se mi conferma che siamo d’accordo sulla soluzione che le ho proposto per risolvere il problema, non ha altri quesiti e si ritiene soddisfatto del servizio possiamo anche chiudere la finestra di conversazione. Le auguro un buon proseguimento di giornata, saluti Francesca .
Francesco Masini
si per ora non ho altre domande
Francesco Masini
la ringrazio
Francesca
A lei, saluti
Got a answer from Nvidia support
Hello,
Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care
This is Lohith, I will be working with you to address your concerns as quickly as possible.
From the e-mail description, I understand you have queries related to macOS Mojave driver release.
Last update from Nvidia related to Mojave drivers
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Apple fully controls drivers for Mac OS. Unfortunately, NVIDIA currently cannot release a driver unless it is approved by Apple
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Apple’s recently released macOS 10.14 (Mojave) does not support CUDA.
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For CUDA developers who are on macOS 10.13, it is recommended to not upgrade to Mojave.
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Developers may not be able to use Xcode 10 to build GPU applications or run CUDA applications.
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Both macOS 10.13.6 and Xcode 9.4 support CUDA and work great with CUDA 10.
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NVIDIA is working with Apple to get Mojave to support CUDA.
Looking forward for your reply to assist you further.
Regards,
Lohith
NVIDIA Customer Care
NVIDIA or Apple must give an estimate of WHEN Apple customers will be able to use NVidia based Apple products with Mojave. “NVIDIA is working with Apple to get Mojave to support CUDA.” sounds like “We’re working on the Immortality elixir”.
Will our grandgrandchildren get NVidia drivers for Mojave or not? Without dates it’s just empty words.
It costs nothing to inform users, we do not understand this silence. Lords of Nvidia would be so kind to tell us in what situation is the update of your drivers? is the minimum they could do out of respect for their buyers
hello
just to say APPLE sell these products 4 times to the real cost and they try to get more money
to do not work with NVDIA so check twice before to buy something from apple and US product in general
boycot all US product myself since many years now just remember this :
America FIRST
make america great again (at any cost)
That enough